This transcript is from a PodTech.net podcast at:
http://www.podtech.net/home/technology/1556/photowalking-with-thomas-hawk-the-photoshop-lessons-part-i
Guest: Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Guest: Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Host: Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Yeah so where are we, this is not a Photowalking thing, is it?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, kind of Photowalking and chairs. Is that possible?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Photo-sitting.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Well, explain what we are doing here, where are we? We are in my house; this is the first shoot I have done in my house.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah we're over here in Robert's Mansion and this is a -- what do you...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
It's a sunny, Saturday afternoon I came.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I think, what I have heard is that you have 12 bedrooms in your house?
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Oh yeah.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Good.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
This doubles is Patrick's bedroom.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah. So, yeah we're going to process some pictures today and do some stuff in Photoshop and so...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
And who are you?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I'm Jan.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
And what did you do?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I do Photoshop. I love Photoshop.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Well, you do Photoshop Online, right?
Jan Kabili- Photoshop Online TV
I do I have Photoshop Online TV.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
And you've written a whole bunch of Photoshop books?
Jan Kabili- Photoshop Online TV
Yes I have.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
What's your latest book? What's your book you want people go to Amazon, and hire it now?
Jan Kabili Photoshop Online TV
Well, the latest book, okay here's my fifth latest book is "Photoshop CS2 for the Web", it's part of the How to Wow Series of books. You can find How to Wow books about lots of different programs, but this one is the best.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
And who publishes it?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It's published by Peachpit Press.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Oh, they're excellent.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Jack Davis is the series Editor. And my co- author in that book is Collin Smith.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
My first Peachpit Book was Robin William's The Mac is not a Typewriter, which everybody should read and nobody ever follows, I think like don't put two spaces after a period and stuff like that. I have taken their excellent publisher for creating professional for one time.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes they're very nice and they also are in Berkeley.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Yeah, Is that why you here? You don't live in California, then where do you live?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No I live in the other nice place.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Where's that? I'll come to visit.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I live in Boulder, Colorado.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Oh, that is so good.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I know.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Are you a Skier?
Jan Kabili- Photoshop Online TV
Yeah
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Yeah, that's so great, that's (Voice Overlap).
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh yeah, good photography, yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
So, anyways -- so you're the Photoshop expert?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, so I am here to learn, basically to dive. I've always used...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
You don't know anything about Photoshop?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, no I guess I don't -- with my photography, as well as, with my Photoshop skills its all pretty much self tied. I've never read a book, I've never read a manual, I've just hooked around with it and what works for me and I've already learned the first thing is that there will be bridge which I should know about. I've certainly read plenty about it, but I've just never tried it; it was free program is a much better way to actually see your pictures on the computer than trying to use Windows Explorer.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
A tip out since we're (Inaudible). You brought your own CD's.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh, I did yes.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
You actually bought that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yes I did, I did. I bought actually two, 750 gigabyte Seagate drives from B&H photo, which is the best place to buy photo here in my opinion, but it's a great drive and...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
They sponsor my shows so anything you could say nice about Seagate drives.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
For here, happened something nice which is, we just brought my PowerBook, my G4 PowerBook and plug that CD-drive in no problem, came right up and we're able to see all of the time these gorgeous images on the Mac.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
And totally easy more of PC
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
PC, yeah, PC. Yeah although.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Have you ever had your hands on Mac?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so I back like in the late 80's and up to like 1991 I used only a Mac and edited my college's paper on Mac and PageMaker then did graphic design work in Quark and only used Mac for some years and I stopped using Mac. I wanted to get into the business world, where everybody had PCs and so although Christopher who's our consumer, he keeps on, "You got to get a Mac man, you got to get Mac, you got to get a Mac." So I don't know I think in a hard.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Is he a founder of Zooomr?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Zooomr, right, Zooomr. So yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
How old is he now?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
He just turned 18.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
18-years-old.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Oh, my God, really.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
I like a lot of Photo track.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, he is a great - I am the...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
How many features has he added in the last week?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, he's adding about a feature week and I am the CEO of Zooomr and Christopher is the Chief Technical Officer and a founder and so we do a...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Could he ever sleep?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
He sleeps a little bit; he eats a lot of pizza and hamburgers, and lives on the cheap. So, it's a Yeah, and now he has got all the energy of an 18-year-old kid so thus great - Yeah last week we did the fames and recent activity way before he was done localize in Italian recently, learned 17 languages now, and added ZMail and...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Now people want to follow along when we're playing Photoshop, can they download all these images from Zooomr?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, yeah everything what I do is as I take and process my images, I put them all upon Zooomr. They are anybody can use them, they create common license anybody who wants to use the photos for personal use or whatever.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
And they're for, full rates?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Full high rates, yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Are they JPEG?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I put JPEG, I take, I shoot them raw and then I process and I save in JPEG, but occasionally someone told -- took the email and said, "Hey could I actually get a raw file and I am kind of there too so..."
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Okay
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, no I love sharing my stuff so.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
So, you're playing with the raw images here?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
We are, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Hang on, hang on I am bringing up Zooomr so people can see what we are talking about.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh, there you are, yeah. Alright guys so go to Patrick so... since we have this stuff cross a...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
That's your kid right?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Are they good in here?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
See I've been using the Mac for so long.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Which one's, on Safari?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That's right yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
See we are actually teaching, Thomas Hawk, this is an intervention, the Mac...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah now I was looking for Alt Tab, we go back to other one. So how do I open this?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I don't know this has to do with Zooomr.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay so let's see one final shot of Patrick so it's good, that we took yesterday. Here it is. So this is going to open the Live Box. So here we go, so we have our Patrick with Mike Arrington and Om Malik combined into one would look like. How to make it bigger?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
We can make the whole window bigger again by grabbing those little diagonal things and dragging them on the screen.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, here I want the original size up. Here we go, that slides the image to slide Patrick.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
We shot it yesterday.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, yesterday at the FM publishing thing, but Michael Arrington with TechCrunch came along with GigaOm, Om Malik.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Excellent, so we sold their badges and (Voice Overlap).
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah now, Mike was there, he was there.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
However he just didn't take up that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh yeah, he's my guarantee doesn't need to worry about.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
We are at all (Inaudible) them.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I know that's great well let's get back to the stuff.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, it's funny because you were saying, "Oh, I am soft heart," you know what everybody I meet is soft heart, and I think about it, what other kind of (Inaudible) would they view with Photoshop, means there are few classes here and they're, but even if you take a class you are going to learn this by doing it yourself and so don't feel like soft heart is a bad thing or that you don't know something that everybody else knows because isn't true. The very fact that you're here and try and get using it and processing your own images it means your way ahead of the group so it's cool.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, well I love learning about Bridge, as soon as, I get home I am downloading that.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
So, what's Bridge? Tell me about it what is, when you were sharing there.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay, so what happened here is that when you buy a Photoshop CS2 which is the current version, that you get a program with it called Adobe Bridge and most people don't even realize that the own the thing and this is Bridge and what Bridge is an image viewing and managing program. So, what I use it for more than anything is just opening my file and being able to see I am not going to remember the crazy names that come out of my camera, what are these called, Image '2933.cr2' means nothing this way I can see Thumbnails in each image and there are different ways to view them here in Bridge. So, for example right now you're looking at the next little film stripped images and you can click on one and it comes up high raised up here.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, what I like about this like now I am using Windows Explorer and they have raw plug-in, and so atleast I can see the thumbnails and I know this that I believe you're going to be able to see raw in full size, but with XP right now I can't, So I am like every single shot I have to literally open in Photoshop to see if I really want to save it or keep it, but to be able to just go through like this with Windows Explorer to do in JPEG, this is not RAW, with Bridge it's great. So, I bought Photoshop, I have CS2, I had CS1 and then I upgraded to CS2 online. So, where do I find Bridge, do I download it or...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I think that it came, when you downloaded, but go ahead here's where you are going to look. You are going to go down; down here is the dock because Thomas isn't a Mac person. So, you go in the dock to the Finder and its going to come up and then, I am going to look in my applications.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so you just think I have it like on the Windows, you think it's just in my applications, I have a different version of Bridge I've just never opened it.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes, so here's sort of, you just go to Applications, and when I go right here, I have Adobe Bridge and down there because I installed Photoshop CS2 just here, but I have bridge. Now, Bridge work -- and then to open Bridge, on Mac, you just click the Bridge icon here. On a PC, I imagine you go down to Start program and you'll see it listed there.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
And if I've deleted Bridge from the Applications, because I figured, "I never want to use that," then can I get it back, then I got to buy it.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I don't know. You have to go to the Adobe site and see if you can do that. So, but Bridge doesn't just work with Photoshop, the idea of Bridge, it's what it sounds like. It's made to work across programs, so that you can see in bridge not only your photos that you're interested in, but also you can see PDF Files and you can even go in and see the different pages of a PDF File. You can see Word files and Excel files and all the different kinds of files that you have and particularly, all the Adobe Program files you have. So, let's say you had an In-Design for sure, you would be able to see at least the first page of that and Acrobat, files from Acrobat and files from GoLive and all of that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, this is going to save me a plenty of time because that's one of the things, to open up file in Photoshop, only to then say, "Oh, I don't like that file and cancel it and I have to start, take another file, to be able to easily scroll through on see them full-screen like that, it is just great.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, that's not all you can do, it's good for seeing them, its good for opening, but it's really great for going to the process of calling out and sorting your images. Just like you used to do with sites, where you throw them on the Light Box and then say, these are Keepers and these are not. You can do that here in Bridge and there is a little rating system that you can use. Once you know the shortcuts, its goes very fast, even if you don't, it's easy. So, for example, if you like this image, while that image is selected, take the mouse and now go up to the first click on Bridge, so that's the accurate.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
And go up to Label, and then you can choose to make it into three or four Star whatever.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, just for purposes of argument, choose something like, not below five because I want to go to Label and do and say this, this is three or four.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
But it's William he can't be four.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Alright, I'll give him a five.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That's my son William and my daughter Holly.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
They're gorgeous.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, so, okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Anyone, just choose one.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, well choose five.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so what about -- that'll be better if I put them as a three on film.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I'd do another one.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Now the Joe's, (Inaudible) can be Nux's the sisters. That photo needs some work.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
That's very nice.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I know that was cocktail actually but...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
All right so give that a Label.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, how about this one, how about this one Joes, now can I relocate it, right from in here.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes. you can, but I want to give a Label.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I'll give it latter.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I am the teacher here, you have to do what I say.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
All right, is that okay. So, how about I'll do this one
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
D03, okay, cool. Say okay.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Is that okay
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes it's fine. And the reason I wanted you to do that is, if you know to click, where it says un-filtered?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
And you say, show me only those would have three or more stars.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Cool.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It will only show those images. So, this is how you can do your editing. You don't have to move things around from folder to folder, got the idea?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
And this works with Windows Media Centre right?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, let me talk about that first, you know Photoshop and Bridge, they work exactly the same way on windows and the only real difference is, have to do with the Operating Systems. You need to modify your keys. So, if you're on a Mac and something is Alt clicked or excuse me option click on Mac, then it's Alt click on Windows and if its Command click on Mac, it is Ctrl click on Windows. And it will really mess you up, if it's Ctrl click on Mac, what's on Windows?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Ctrl click.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Shift Ctrl click.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No, you have to right click the mouse.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh right click, yeah. I love right clicking.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah, I know, but we don't have right click on most in that place.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so this is actually writing into the meta information of the file though?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
It is.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Very smart.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Nice, okay, nice. I like that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, it's writing the Star System, you can give keywords to these images and it writes these keywords...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so and that actually would put it to the metadata, it's when I upload it to do be tagged automatically, like Zooomr or something?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I don't know how it's going to work with Zooomr, what its doing by default, is its writing a little XMP file and you'll be able to see that...
Thomas Hawks - Digital Photography Expert
So, if I wanted to metadata this Westlake e, these two shots right now, how would I do that?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, you have just added some metadata, which are these labels and if you wanted to for example, add keywords, you might want to come around so you can see that. See this power right here, can you drag that up.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Keywords drag that up, yep, oh cool.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Higher, way higher, great; okay and then click right where it says keywords on the tab right here.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Keywords yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
And you can see some keywords that the program comes with, but they are silly ones right, but you can make your own.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Mathews.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah Mathews, you don't know who that it is, right.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Right you could make another person in the person category and to make it.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I know my Holly, but...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You can click that little icon right there
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Its there, here.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes, and a copy Adobe System, that particular icon with the page turned up, always means a new, something, the new keyword.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so I can call this Westlake, because these are Westlake shots. I shot Westlake -- we were shooting Westlake for San Francisco Magazine. What's like... yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay so, then I hit Westlake.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Exactly, this goes cool, it does not need instruction. But you see how intuitive it is.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Cannot be modified, the metadata can be save and read-only format.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Try it anyway, it just means that you can't write over it. Now try clicking next to Westlake.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
And where should I click both of these?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No, you want both Westlake?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay, say yes.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Fine.
Jan Kabili Photoshop Online TV
Okay, so now those two files.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
It is read only.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Oh this means it's something to do with your particular files and where they came from, but normally you are not going to have trouble with this.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
That's like because you are on the Windows Live.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It could be also because they are from, they are sitting on your -- on external hard drive and somehow they got stuck as read-only files. But, for the most part you will be able to do that and then, the cool thing about this is, it means you don't have to waste time putting things in folders, you can always pull up all the Westlake files and all the -- what are their names?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That's William and Holly.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
All the William and Holly files and this particular image could have more than one keyword.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, I'll tell you why, we really, really like it the most is because, I need to start tagging like images at the image level not on Photo Sharing Sites because one of the problems is, even today all the tags and everything, you are not very portable and so to be able tag them on your image files, and you really do have much greater portability with your tags, so I totally need to do this anyways.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
But, when you do that, you want to check in your Bridge preferences that is saving the metadata, in a separate file and not in the central cache, you have a choice and the beauty of having your metadata in separate files is that you can take that metadata file and burn it to a CD with the particular images, just to which you really like acceptable.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, it is very portable in that sense.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah I like that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, anyway here you are and say, you wanted to open a couple of your photos of William and Holly and I'd like you to open a couple that we've taken in the same light. So, if you want to go back, look at that folder
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so let me go back to ten, oh so I need to take this filter off, right?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes exactly, so it will just go up there.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Filtered, show all items.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You are like the greatest student. So, to select more than one image down here, Shift for select those that are next to one another, like you could just say...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Alt Ctrl.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Hold shift, click there, its going to take a minute and it will select all those in between and if you wanted to select noncontiguous ones, you hold the Command key.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
She sounds like, she's like, "Can I kiss." Oh command, not Ctrl, right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Perfect, now, double click any one of those. Hand off a bit...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Double click okay, and its going to open them all of in Photoshop.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It should, but I think you might have lost now let's see what happens. Alright, let it go. Yes so, now what will happen is that will open in Photoshop and now this is different, though some people are going to say, "This doesn't look like Photoshop" and the reason is, these are special format files called RAW files.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, I'll shoot everything in RAW
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Good for you.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I think that's a wise thing and I'll try to do that as well.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Much more control.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
(Inaudible) drive, flash memories.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, you know what, this one; it is 700 gigs already filled up. So, I have another one at home and I got a -- I think I'll be buying like one of those like every six months or so.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Yeah, in my Amateur camera, I can't shoot RAW, I don't have a choice and on some other cameras, that are cheaper than yours , it's like you don't have a memory space, so you don't make a trade of. Once you shoot RAW, and then get 15 images or shoot, which I can get a 100.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, well I have got two AK cards now, thanks to the Seagate one of them from Acrobat, but yeah, so, I've got 16 gigs and if you think about at 16 gigs, I can go out on a shoot and fill both those cards up and if you're shooting16 gigs a day, that fills up hard drive real quick so...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You're fantastic. You give so much more flexibility with RAW files and storage spaces are cheap now.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, well not that cheap, but yeah, still it's a...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
The image quality arises much better, right?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, why I like it personally is and I am sure Jan will do much better job when somebody controls and I will, I find it gives you so much more control over the final output of the image. So, lot of these shots, I mean this shot on its own out of the camera is a pretty good shot. I might want to sharpen it a little bit, give William space to this a little bit sharper, but with a lot of my shots, if they're over exposed or under exposed or the color temperature just isn't right, isn't perfect or I want to bump up the contrast a little bit or shadows or -- I mean to have that functionality, to really affect the photo before you even bring it into Photoshop, versus a JPEG power, you are really stuck with what you get out of the camera. I find having that flexibility to edit the photo is at least 40% of the final output.
Jan Kabili -Photoshop Online TV
Oh, it makes a huge difference, because having these RAW files is, the equivalent of having a negative when you're shooting traditional film and basically, its up to you to do all of the work that Thomas just described. Most people don't realize, when you shoot a JPEG, like in your little consumer camera, the camera is doing many of these things for you on JPEG. So, for example, the camera is trying to adjust the color for you, it is sharpening the file and of course it's compressing it as well. So, you are loosing some there, so, I really -- I started to advice serious photographers to shoot RAW and just spend a little bit of money on those cards because think about, when we shot traditional film, what did you spend the most money on?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, Cameras and Lenses and film -- no film Inaudible.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Or anything. Yeah, and development... yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
$5 or over $15 on processing.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah I know.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
That's right.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Then we don't have to deal with it anymore; it's just 200 bucks for an 8-gig card.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Over and over. Anyway so, when you do shoot RAW -- when you open a file in Photoshop it doesn't open in real Photoshop, it opens in the Adobe Camera Raw Interface and that's...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, which is this right here
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
That's right.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
What we are looking at, and this is what I use on my...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
On your Photoshop, right?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
No.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
This is a pre -- like a pre processing before you give in the Photoshop.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, and this is where I do all of my editing, I may do some final little touch ups in Photoshop actually itself, but I do very, very little -- I find I can really for the most part get the control over the image that I want at this stage in the process.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, you know there are something's you can't do here.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
For example, if you wanted to select an area, and treat it differently than the other areas, you can't do that here.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, you do -- but that's okay because you do all the things, you explained and then you go into Photoshop and add that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, absolutely.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
So, if you want to burn in the background and make it more darker.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
You have to do that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
You would have to do to that in Photoshop.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
In Photoshop, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah. Also, if you want to do re-touching of people's faces so, making the teeth whiter, putting a glint in the eye, fixing any blemishes on the skin that you would do; absolutely you do...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, exactly. If I get dust on my censor and I get a little dust mark up here, I can clean that up and stuff like that, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah, you sent me an image like that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Then we can show that if we can.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay, so anyway, you said -- let me also explain what's really nice about this interface is that you can see a histogram, up here that describes all of the tones in this image.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It's showing you the different colors you'll have to do with the various channels of color information in that image. But that is very helpful because what you can see here is, if you have a spike at either end of that histogram, it means you had either underexposed; so, now we see that some underexposure in the green channel.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Sure.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It looks like you are okay over here because you have no spike in the highlights.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
The wonderful thing about RAW is that, if you do have a spike in the highlights; meaning that some of the highlights in the picture have no detail they are pure white, you can often recover that information...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That's right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
...by moving the exposure slider over to the left, and then if there were a spike, you'd see it kind of disappeared.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That's in my favorite thing of all though is Temperature.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, go ahead and show us what you do with it.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, I really -- this isn't either good example so much because I like the color in this, but a lot if time I shoot a photo like -- some whites in the city, and there will be this yellow sopher and I really want this bluish tones in the whites, so by decreasing the temperature I can get that. Obviously, this photo is actually what I -- like it is; where it is now but as you will see this will make the photo change considerably, I mean much more blue to -- oh, that looks kind of freaky, doesn't it? Oh wow, look at that, to very red and yellowish.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, do you set the auto White Balance in your camera, or do you actually set the White Balance when you came?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Sometimes I set the White Balance, but most of the time I just shoot it on the auto White Balance. So, because I am just shoot -- I am shooting so fast, and so much and I know that I have the Temperature control afterwards that I can edit in RAW. So, because in fact a lot of my shooting; I'll do -- I'll just set it on automatic and set my eyes so to whatever, and shot automatically because I know I have so much more control and I'd rather go out and take 20, 30 images as quickly as I can than spent the time. I mean this is obviously advantage of digital over film, than to spend the time to really get all setting just right how I want it, because I know with RAW, if was shooting JPEG, I'd be much more careful I think, because I would have much less control, after the fact that shooting RAW when I have this level of control. In fact may be we should -- we should work on some of the image that...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah, sure. Before we do, as long as we are talking about White Balance.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Let me show you a couple of ways to use that besides just moving the slider.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, Temperature, okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, there is a Temperature Slider there, which takes you from the core colors that are on the left as you showed.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Where we have a bluish tint to the warmer colors all the way around the right, and this is going to look really wild.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
But, instead of just moving the sliders...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
What I often do is I go over here, where there is gray eye dropper way at the top of the RAW screen. This eye dropper right here, I select that and then I click somewhere in the image that I know should be a neutral color. So, for example I might click on this area, the kid's sweater, and when you do that it adjusts the White Balance to try to make that area neutral. Now that wasn't a good idea.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, right, right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I think that looks ugly.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It totally depends what color of neutral you click on, now that's not bad. As you can see that automatically set the temperature up here at 5,000.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Does this mean I should carry 18% gray card...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Absolutely.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
...to take the image like a punching street scenes, you should just take one shot of the gray card, that means if you are shooting in the same riding conditions you can use that a neutral color, a 18% gray card is the most neutral color even that Inaudible.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It's true; I think he's got it. No, that ...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
I never really sensed that from mine...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, that's great.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
From my youth.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You made it. Well, it's just to make sure that you stopped wearing a gray sweater.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
That's sweater actually is pretty close to an 18% gray.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes it seems to be, and then after it -- so, that's one way to use White Balance, and then you can tweak it further of course by hand and you can move the ten slider to go to add magenta if you move to the right, which you often want to do for skin tone, or if you go the left, it will add green. Now, the other way to use this is this; if you go here to the custom menu and you click -- this is such a big file its just taking a minute on Para book; there. It started out like this as shot, and its showing you the way that you shot the White Balance in the your camera which actually was pretty close to 5000.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, it's pretty. Yeah 49-50. Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Then, if you didn't like that result, you can come to this menu and you could try auto, and in auto Photoshop is trying to guess what the White Balance would be.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, let's see if it changes this particular image.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Wow!
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Very much, it's made much cooler.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, yeah I don't like that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
But, I think it wrong.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, yeah, it's wrong.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, then you have some other presets that you could try. So, I got the day light preset that will look pretty good here, which is just a little bit warmer than you shot.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, it is, it is just a little bit warmer.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It's at 5,500 count, though I think you shot close to 5,000.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah 4,950.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, you can just cycle through this, so the real way to use this whole White Balance thing in my mind; is to try to start of with this eye dropper and click on what you think should be neutral, and then tweak the temperature to move between blue to the left and orange to the right, and then go for a little bit tint tweak from magenta to the right, and green to the left or if you don't like that whole procedure just go up to the menu and try the different presets.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I pretty much always do it just by eye. I mean I just like the control of my eye visualizing it using the sliders; but yeah, that was a great tool.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
How do we know that the monitor is actually showing you real color?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
This is very cool.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
So, he does for a (Inaudible) actually.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah. Oh, wow, great.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, we...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
We want to see him, get him next week.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Yeah.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
So, he had gone up there to Seattle. Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, (Inaudible) say that again. So, we've looked at the camera role a little bit. Lets see what happens, when we finally have made the correction to all four of these images, and we can now bring them in the Photoshop by going over here, and it says now; open one image because you only have one selected seat.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, but see I didn't like what it did quiet automatically to the other ones. So, I would see them one by one.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Alright. But, you can tweak each one.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Can you use that feature to get a close -- get four images to do the same thing on one -- to use one images is to make all four do the same thing, and then go in and tweak each one separately again. In other words get him close enough and then tweak each of them separately.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Good point, and that's basically, what we did. We tweaked the -- we adjusted the first one; we then selected the other three and applied those adjustments to the other three. But, then Thomas said, "I don't really like those adjustments in the second image."
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, he came back and Voice Overlap particularly one. But, just for purposes of argument then, let's select the first and the second...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, now am I doing something wrong? There is mouse gone wrong here.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Where can I see it? Voice Overlap
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Just click on the first one too and then just click on the two. There you go, and now come down here and say 'Open' to images and both of those two will open in Photoshop; say 'Okay'. This is asking, whether you want to keep this metadata or all these instruction in a Sidecar File?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
A little file that you can then burn to a disk with your images, or whether you want to put it in the central cache, where it's going to be combined with all of the other metadata for all other images that are.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I want to put in the central cache, right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I think not, I like having it in the XMP file because then you do have portability. So, that you can take that file and put it back on your hard drive, your external hard drive or burn it to a disk.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Oh no, XMP. Are all files like after I process in the RAW that show up in that same folder.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes, exactly. The secret file.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That I throw away every time.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Don't throw those away.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, okay. I am learning.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay, anyways. These are going to open in Photoshop, and now they are very big, so they will take a while, now they'll both open in Photoshop. So, if you would grab this particularly image by its title bar and just move it down, you'll see the other image open too.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You could then come in here, and do things that you cannot do in RAW.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, why don't you click the yellow button to minimize that image, and I see one thing right away
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You son has some 'khaka' (ph) in his eye, alright. He's got a little bit of sleep.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, like red in here. It's tiny.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, an example of what you could do. I would make yourself a new layer by going to the bottom of the layers pallet, and good that you're resuming in , and let's name that layer 'Heal', because we are going to heal this blemish on his face.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
How do you name a layer?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You double click the name, and you type what you want it to be.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
One of the things that I make.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Then click in the blank space to accept that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay, now if you go over to the tool box in Photoshop, we are in real Photoshop now, no longer in RAW, and you select the tool that looks like a band-aid...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, yeah. I use this a lot.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Press and hold.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Press and hold that one.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Press, I'll press and on hold. Yes, okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You'll see there several different kinds of healing brushes, the spot healing brush is the fastest, but it doesn't always give you the result you want, because you don't get to choose. What it's going to do is sample good pixels and cover the bad pixels right here. If you use spot healing brush, Photoshop decides where the good pixels come from.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right. What I've done that sometimes and it will be, like -- let's say, I'm doing like a blue sky with clouds and it will put like part of the clouds into what I fix and it -- yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah. So, it works great if you just have a little bit of dust from the scan that you can put in fast. I like the healing brush, when I want to control and so, you've gotten the healing brush, I hope.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yup, I did.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay. Now click on this 'Heal' layer to select it, and go up to the 'Options' part at top of the screen. Select the "Sample All layers", very important that that be kept, because now what's going to happen, even though you are fixing things on a blank layer, so that you have more flexibility layer if you don't like your changes you can throw them out. It will sample the good pixels from all the other layers like this background layer where your content is.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah. Okay, now you have that. So, now you're going down and you're going to make your brush, just a bit...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I'll make my brush smaller.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Wait, don't you go there. Here's is why. Everybody always is moving to the Options part to make their brush small. That's not very efficient, and there is a great short cut for making their brush smaller.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, great. I'm going to lean something.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Now, here's the keyboard, I know you're right handed, I apologize.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That's okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
If you press the 'Right Bracket' key, the brush will get bigger and the 'Left Bracket' key, the brush gets smaller.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Very cool. Yes, I like that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, a left handed guy or an ambidexis (ph) guy is moving the mouse with his that hand, like that and he is doing that there and it's fast, fast, fast.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Wow, it's very fast.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
For dogging and burning, for painting, for cleaning up the kaka in the eye...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, yeah. I love that. Okay, so now with this...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I think, you want a little bigger, your brush should be just a little bigger than the thing you're trying to cover.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Like that. Okay
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
That's fine, and now you want to find some good pixels. So, may be right...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I move down on 'Shift', right? When I do that...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Option.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Option, okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Option on a Mac.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Control on a...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
No?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Option on a Mac; 'Alt' on a PC.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Alt on a PC, okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You see that your cursor changed to a target.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, so that's good, right?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It's going to sample those pixels. So, can you click there and they can look up. Now click on the kaka and it's gone.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Nice. Now see, now see I don't want that little edge there.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I understand.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
See that?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, what you can do. I would undo, I'll command 'Z' on the Mack or 'Control' 'Z'.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
'Control' 'Z', okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No, are on a Mack.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Command 'Z'.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Right. Now you might want to make your brush a little smaller this time ...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
So, now I'm going to have to do it up here because it's not right. Because -- or I'll still do it here?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Left back a key, okay.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Try to sample again, now I think you went -- I would go right on the white pixels. Sometimes you have to play...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Over here?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, so then I hold... shift?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Not too close on the iris. Okay there.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Hold.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Options.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
'Options' right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, Alt on the PC, let go. Now straight click on the kaka.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Now, I can do this like a couple of times, if I want to try because I want to get right on the edge. So maybe, I'll do here, okay, so that looks okay and maybe do here...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You can make your brush smaller now, if you want.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I'm -- you're right, you're right. So smaller, smaller and I'm -- it still remember what I was on before?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes, it does. It's still going back, see this little cross right here; that is where it's taking the pixels from. Now wait.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You might want to press somewhere else for a different source now.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I do.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Maybe right there, because you want to get a little bit of the eye lid
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I don't like that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Then do, 'Command' 'Z', or 'Control' 'Z'.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Command -- Control 'Z'. Okay, maybe...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
What I would do is move up the eye lid.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, first -- first what I want to do is go up, there's probably a better way to enlarge, isn't it?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah, but that's okay. You don't want to get too close because its -- you're going to getting it false -- it's going to look yucky, no matter what you do.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah, but that's okay. So, what I would do here is, think about the size you want to cover, make your brush about that size and make it bigger now.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Little bit more and let me try that, then move up into the good area; down, down, down there. Try it right there.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, Option?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Option, click now. Carefully move over, now you went up. So, you're going to get dark and light, there you go. Now try.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, look at that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
See that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
That looks great. Yeah, that looks much better. So, now I zoom back out.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Did you understand what we were doing? Because we were trying to just follow the line of the eye lid.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, right I know that -- yeah, so we followed it and to me that looks -- and obviously this is so large to the eye right now, that you probably not even to be able to tell -- I mean in the picture any ways, but...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
But, before you 'Zoom' out, let's see how good a job it did. What this tool does, It not only covers up with good pixels, but it blends the texture and lighting with the surrounding area. So, if you uncheck the eyeball, next to the Heal layer, that's how we started, that's how we ended.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Much better, isn't it?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Much better.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Are you married?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Your wife will be happy you did that. So, now to get back to a 100% view, the short cut I love is double click the zoom in tool, in the 'Tool Box'.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Nice.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Here we are.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay. That's 100% view because this is so big is...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I always check in a 100% view because that's what your audience will see.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, now this -- I might want to clean that up too, right?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yes. Now there we try the Spot Healing Brush, because -- don't Zoom in -- well, that's the 100%. Double click the zoom tool, you can take care that at a 100 or even what you have there. 100, you got it. Al right, so may ...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
So, maybe we make it a little bit larger now? Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, people can see what you did. Go back to the Healing Brush.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Click on Hold and choose the Spot Healing Brush.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Spot Healing Brush.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, this works just like the healing brush, but you don't have to set the source. Your brush is just bigger than the blemish.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
This is all pretty, yeah. So, this is good.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You just clicked on it.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
So, it's all done. Look at that. I see it looks much better.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Now, what did Photoshop do? It went and it sampled pixels from right near there, but his skin is so smooth, you didn't have to bother choosing it like we did up there, where we had to get that specific place.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, now shall I sharpen it a little bit. I think I'd sharpen it in here.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Good question, how much time do we have?
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Keep going. Well, we have five minutes on this tape left and
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well lets...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
It's up to you. You -- we're spending indoor as well. We have a beautiful afternoon day. You rather love to enjoy, so.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, you ask all right questions, because you obviously know what you're doing, and you are so typical of people who are training in photography, know quite a bit about Photoshop, but you do other things. But, for me it's all I do.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right, which is great. I mean, I've learned already so many great tricks today.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Oh good. Well, the question you just asked is the right one. Shall I sharpen this? A lot of people say, "I don't want to sharpen because it looks good to them." But the fact is, there're very process of inputting from a digital camera, changing from the real world images, continuous tone images, the pixels soften your image. The same is true if you scan the negative
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Sure.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
That would soften and even more, if you're going to print this to a hardcopy, its going to get softer one more time, because you're changing from pixels into dots on paper. So I always urge sharpening, but the big issue is when and how, and so when -- some people will sharpen several times during the process, but those are people who are pretty sophisticated about it. Because if you do that, you can over sharpen, that'll all look all crunchy.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I hate when I over sharpen. Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, anyway. What I do is, especially for enormous photographers and enormous Photoshop users -- not you, but I say, "wait to the very end of your imaging -- editing process."
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, choosing the last thing I do, if I do it, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Is it?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Well, there is a rational reason for that. One thing that you often do at the end of the process; is you resize your master image for particular output. So, for example, you've made all these changes on this lovely large image, now you want a 4x6 to send to your relative or something to upload to...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Zoomer, yeah. I always, actually I do batch processing; So, I'll take all of my images -- I keep my original size images, then I put those and I use the batch processor to change the size of all of the images at once.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Perfect.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Then I can up of those straight, because you don't need to have such a large image. See my image is shooting (Inaudible) it is so huge, and it serves no purpose to have that big of an image online. I mean, in my opinion. I don't why you would...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No reason. So any ways, so what you would do is, you would resize -- so first I would save by image with the changes made, and I usually do file save as, just because I am nervous, about laying over things. Although in this case...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
That' because she's been using Mack for a long time. I wouldn't see that as a whole -- a long time ago, when files were getting corrupted,
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I know.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Then, you would save and then you would be saving a corrupted image, where a corrupted word document or stuff like that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Correct. My word document. Inaudible
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Alright, I have a great story about Steve Wozniak apparently of Apple, his wife lost her thesis document and none of the engineers at Apple could get it back. So, I've always learned to save as and change the name and keep iterating so that if something happens, at least you have those previous versions to go back to.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
I want to ask you something about that, because I write books all the time, and it has happened to me several times. I'm doing exactly what you say and these are getting -- these files are getting bigger and they have images and then even other word images, at some point it won't save any more. There is some kind of a limit in word, as to how many iterations it will save. Have you done it?
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
I never did that.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You haven't. Oh it's...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Well, I'm on Windows, on Word, so, Mack might be -- I know there was somewhere that doesn't seem to. We should report that to and say...
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
God, you want to kill yourself, but I've haven't.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, now I usually save in JPEG at this point. Is that...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Well, there's about three or four minutes a tape before we have to switch, so, if you want to end up, you got three or four minutes that will be great. Then we can start another tape and do another show if you want.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
We can get a drink and eat those too.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay, so in terms of what format to save, I would not save JPEG at this point, I would save Photoshop or TIP format, because you want to retain all your changes. If you've added layers, if you've done filters, all of this special Photoshoppy things, and JPEG doesn't do that. JPEG flattens all of the layers and...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Although JPEG is brought up and upload.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
You can do that; you can do that in a minute. But, I would my save my master file Voice Overlap. So, you can save that.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
So, Photoshop is -- so why won't it let me choose save now.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
All right, what are we doing here? Turn off the camera, its going to be a waste.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
'Save as a Copy'?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
No?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Why can't we save it?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
No, because you saved it as 16 byte, but it should -- try saving somewhere else and see what happens.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
See if it (Inaudible) on that one.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Stick it on the 'Desktop'.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay. Oh, I can here.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
There you go.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Well, let me save it on my hard drive.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
It's something about your hard drive...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, something probably, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
...is that, hard drive. Well, your hard drive is probably formatted for your personal PC.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
PC, yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
So, save on the Desktop as a PST. Then you're going to resize and you're going to save the resized image as a JPEG. But before you do, you're going to sharpen; so, here's the work flow, you save your master as a PST with all of its layers and everything. Then you resize, for the Web, for a small print, whatever. You can save that in the format that makes sense for that output. If it's for the Web, you're going to save as JPEG.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
As JPEG, right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
If you're doing -- you going to print something on your printer, no reason to save JPEG. One problem in saving as JPEG, if you resave again you will loose data. Every time you resave -- every time you make a change to an image and resave in JPEG format, it recompresses and throws away data because it's a lousy (Inaudible).
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Okay So, any way, we have our PST, now resize by going to image, image size.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Image, image size. Now, what size do you recommend resizing it to for the Web?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
For the Web it, totally depends on your viewer's screen. If you think most people are viewing at 1024X768 pixels, then you don't want your file to be bigger then, because they won't see the whole thing if they get it on...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Right. So 1024, probably just to do with. 1024.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Yeah, and also you want to -- people have, croma on the side of their (Inaudible), so I won't do 1024, maybe less.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
A thousand?
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
A 1,000 yeah; this is a Web Design principle.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
And actually, I've done...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
I'm actually doing an image for page display like you do on your blog. I would -- it may 600 or 700 pixels, right.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, I actually -- because everything I upload into Zoomer and then I take it from Zoomer, put it on my blog, it already does automatically sizes it for blogging here.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
So, how do you put -- what file size do you upload your image?
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Generally, I do about that. I do about -- I usually do like 1024, is what I did in the past, and when I automatically battery size everything. So, that's a pretty big original, but then it sizes even down from there for, like display on medium size on Zoomer, so then I just cut the HTML code, paste it in my blog, and then its right in line with my text, it might be in this format.
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
You might have a 1900 pixel images that I can use them as backgrounds on this nice (Voice Overlap).
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Whatever, whatever your decision might be, the important point here is that this check book, check -- (Inaudible) don't do that, check box be checked, its got to resample image and...
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay, 'Bicubic'.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Exactly where you're going, click that Menu that says Bicubic, and if you making it smaller, choose 'Bicubic Sharper'.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
This is just the special formula that Photoshop is going to use to throw away all these additional pixels as we make the image smaller. So if you see here, it says that the file was a total of 36 megabytes, and we're bringing it down to one megabyte that's a huge amount of information being turned away. This formula Bicubic Sharper; will do that without softening the image excessively, and if you are going the other way by the way, look at the Menu one more time. If you're making your file bigger, which I don't suggest you do, but some people who do it anyway.
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Out of the five be or...
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
(Inaudible).
Thomas Hawk - Digital Photography Expert
Yeah, okay.
Jan Kabili - Photoshop Online TV
Are we filming now or not?
Robert Scoble - ScobleShow
Yeah. we are going to run out. Stop.
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